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Post by Ken Woodmixer on Nov 4, 2005 10:26:22 GMT
Lembit Opik (mental UFO fearing Lib Dem MP - married to the weathergirl who looks like David Coulthard) has said in Parliament today, that the Terror Bill will make Bonfire night illegal as it will be glorifying terrorism ! Not sure who is most insane, the pesron who drafted this wobbly bill or Lembit for plainly being stupid about its interpretation. The words 'knees' 'up' and 'brewery' spring to mind... Rob
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Post by excesstock on Nov 4, 2005 10:45:59 GMT
the old PC thing again ehh, it,ll soon be time to put up the 'festival decorations of an illuminatory nature'...i,ll soon have to stop wearing my red & white striped henley regatta blazer because it might be an affront to Joseph and his coat of many colours!
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Post by rolandbutter on Nov 4, 2005 10:51:48 GMT
we not allowed to call them lights in case the darks get annoyed?
And anyway, they are festival/seasonal lights. None of the ones I have seen have anything to do with Christmas. Maybe with winter. Maybe with Victorian christmas ideas, but not Christmas.
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Post by chopsghost on Nov 4, 2005 10:59:17 GMT
He's got a point though!
Was he pointing out the stupidity of the bill or the concept of Bonfire night ?
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Post by Ken Woodmixer on Nov 4, 2005 11:08:34 GMT
I think he was pointing out the wording of the bill but really they are just wasting time. Its a bit like the religious hatred bill, if that would have gone through as written then you could not have made race related jokes. Quite where that would leave great Jewish comedians who's main stock is Jewish jokes was clearly not considered. If you took it to the letter of the law (like dear old Lembit) then a video shop owner could be prsecuted for stocking something like Blazing Saddles. Rob
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Post by chopsghost on Nov 4, 2005 11:13:25 GMT
I think he was pointing out the wording of the bill but really they are just wasting time. Its a bit like the religious hatred bill, if that would have gone through as written then you could not have made race related jokes. Quite where that would leave great Jewish comedians who's main stock is Jewish jokes was clearly not considered. If you took it to the letter of the law (like dear old Lembit) then a video shop owner could be prsecuted for stocking something like Blazing Saddles. Rob It also begs the question of defining terrorism....since the difference between a terrorist and a Guerrilla is purely a matter of opinion. What the US called the Contra Rebels where actually a group of terrorists looking to destabilize the nearest thing to a successful true socialist state the world has ever seen.
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Post by rolandbutter on Nov 4, 2005 11:17:49 GMT
I think he was pointing out the wording of the bill but really they are just wasting time. Its a bit like the religious hatred bill, if that would have gone through as written then you could not have made race related jokes. Quite where that would leave great Jewish comedians who's main stock is Jewish jokes was clearly not considered. If you took it to the letter of the law (like dear old Lembit) then a video shop owner could be prsecuted for stocking something like Blazing Saddles. Rob It also begs the question of defining terrorism....since the difference between a terrorist and a Guerrilla is purely a matter of opinion. What the US called the Contra Rebels were actually a group of terrorists looking to destabilize the nearest thing to a successful true socialist state the world has ever seen. *Magnolia Card* Serious comments to be found elsewhere....... didn't the US back the "rebels" before invading Nicaragua?
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Post by rolandbutter on Nov 4, 2005 11:18:25 GMT
*gives himself a magnolia card as well*
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Post by rolandbutter on Nov 4, 2005 11:20:21 GMT
I think he was pointing out the wording of the bill but really they are just wasting time. Its a bit like the religious hatred bill, if that would have gone through as written then you could not have made race related jokes. Quite where that would leave great Jewish comedians who's main stock is Jewish jokes was clearly not considered. If you took it to the letter of the law (like dear old Lembit) then a video shop owner could be prsecuted for stocking something like Blazing Saddles. Rob It also begs the question of defining terrorism....since the difference between a terrorist and a Guerrilla is purely a matter of opinion.. Nah, that one's easy........ One's someone who is against the current political ethos and tries to destabilise by using force. The other is what you were related to before you pressed that button...
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Post by Ken Woodmixer on Nov 4, 2005 11:33:52 GMT
Sorry for starting this conversation which has turned into a debate about South American revolutionaries, as is my way when I start something like this off, its time I sloped off to the pub for a pint or three...
TTFN
Rob
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Post by chopsghost on Nov 4, 2005 11:44:52 GMT
oh yes sorry ...forgot....erm...blancmange
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Post by excesstock on Nov 4, 2005 11:54:03 GMT
we had this thing last year,its only a bit of fun for me ...but in reality i,m very much against this PC rubbish... we cant and wouldnt expect the USA to stop celebrating independence day,its in the past ..gone...nothing can change it!,my view is keep our traditions as they are,never mind about other religions,i dont remember all this nonsense with piggy banks etc with the jews! trouble with the brits is we just sit back and take it,one thing about the french public...they wont be pushed around like us!
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Post by revcounter on Nov 4, 2005 11:54:26 GMT
Sorry for starting this conversation which has turned into a debate about South American revolutionaries, as is my way when I start something like this off, its time I sloped off to the pub for a pint or three... TTFN Rob Another tough day in househusband land.....off to phone social services....... It doesn't take us long to go back to the PC gone mad debate does it?
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Post by Beau Leggs on Nov 4, 2005 12:57:53 GMT
Lembit Opik (mental UFO fearing Lib Dem MP - married to the weathergirl who looks like David Coulthard) has said in Parliament today, that the Terror Bill will make Bonfire night illegal as it will be glorifying terrorism ! Not sure who is most insane, the pesron who drafted this wobbly bill or Lembit for plainly being stupid about its interpretation. The words 'knees' 'up' and 'brewery' spring to mind... Rob Like that 83 year old who shouted out at the Labour conference, was held under the terrorism laws. I'm sure that when they wrote that law, they did not expect it to be used in such a way to subjugate free speech (which we still do not have a right to). Just because you mean something when you write a law, does not mean that it will be interpreted by the police and judges the same way.
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Post by Beau Leggs on Nov 4, 2005 13:05:21 GMT
Lembit Opik (mental UFO fearing Lib Dem MP - married to the weathergirl who looks like David Coulthard)... Is his belief in UFOs any more dafter than some who believe in God(s), as there is no proof in either existence but only the faith of the person? So the only way you are trying to demean his argument is to rely on personal insults...oh I forgot you were a politician. QED
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Post by Dan Glebitz on Nov 4, 2005 13:09:30 GMT
I think he was pointing out the wording of the bill but really they are just wasting time. Its a bit like the religious hatred bill, if that would have gone through as written then you could not have made race related jokes. Quite where that would leave great Jewish comedians who's main stock is Jewish jokes was clearly not considered. If you took it to the letter of the law (like dear old Lembit) then a video shop owner could be prsecuted for stocking something like Blazing Saddles. Rob Why on earth would a purveyor of video entertainment wish to stock flammable tack?
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Post by Dan Glebitz on Nov 4, 2005 13:11:10 GMT
It also begs the question of defining terrorism....since the difference between a terrorist and a Guerrilla is purely a matter of opinion. What the US called the Contra Rebels were actually a group of terrorists looking to destabilize the nearest thing to a successful true socialist state the world has ever seen. *Magnolia Card* Serious comments to be found elsewhere....... didn't the US back the "rebels" before invading Nicaragua? Not unlike Grenada, or Afghanitan, or Iraq, the list is almost endless.
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Post by excesstock on Nov 4, 2005 13:30:02 GMT
lets be honest ,no one who go,s to a bonfire night cares way or the other about guy fawkes,they just want to have fun,the kids who buy the fireworks and wander the streets ..they just want to upset people ..their into terrorising not terrorism!
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Post by nobbin on Nov 4, 2005 13:33:58 GMT
lets be honest ,no one who go,s to a bonfire night cares way or the other about guy fawkes,they just want to have fun,the kids who buy the fireworks and wander the streets ..they just want to upset people ..their into terrorising not terrorism! I have to agree with you there. They (the brainless jerks) might be bored....but why don't they sod off to the local park or rec ground and throw them around...not at peoples houses etc...
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Post by chopsghost on Nov 4, 2005 13:36:13 GMT
Lembit Opik (mental UFO fearing Lib Dem MP - married to the weathergirl who looks like David Coulthard)... Is his belief in UFOs any more dafter than some who believe in God(s), as there is no proof in either existence but only the faith of the person? So the only way you are trying to demean his argument is to rely on personal insults...oh I forgot you were a politician. QED It's the biggest truth! If we believe in God ( a bloke who constructed an entire expanding universe in 1 week who is watching EVERYBODY all of the time) then we're pillars of society. Walk into any Weatherspoons and start talking to Goblins and they might let you out at weekends under close supervision. Tell me that this world isn't bludy mad!
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