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Post by Fi on Jul 3, 2009 7:44:25 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but I'm genuinely intrigued Michael - how do you construct a 'long grace'?
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Post by revmichael on Jul 3, 2009 10:10:27 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but I'm genuinely intrigued Michael - how do you construct a 'long grace'? By thanking God for 'this food' ... 'friends far and near ... and then going on to pray for neighbours ... all those in need etc. etc. world without end, Amen.
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Post by stanislav on Jul 3, 2009 19:27:30 GMT
I've just spent some valuable time reading the thoughts regarding the mutterings of an old man before the starting of a much needed feed. I'm now late for my dinner and my stomach is once again feeling like my throat has been cut. I have to say that faced with the chap waffling on when the rashers are getting cold would have been met with my plate being far emptier at the end of his little speech than at the start. Rations being rations, the very notion that one can wait around indefinitely in the hopes that the old chap either ends his ramblings or shuffles off his mortal coil (not wishing to be unkind to the chap but food is food and the breaking of one's fast comes close to the glass of water being offered to the desert traveller in need of a slaking), one doesn't know when the next meal might loom up on the horizon so time has to be of the essence. By all means, the chap is most welcome to utter his thanks for that which is getting cold before him (here I might go as far as to be most grateful to the staff who are undoubtedly sweating it out below stairs for the benefit of those with more disposable income than they who prepare the fodder), but with a gimlet eye on the sands of time than never cease to flow, one would polish off as much of the brekkie as one possibly could in the hopes that the chap opposite was not too partial to his bacon and could therefore be convinced to slide the aforementioned onto my waiting plate in a waste not, want not method of remembering that there are many people in this world who are going hungry while some old chap witters on whilst letting good food go cold! Do you mean, Stan, that if anyone must 'give thanks' for their meal then please make it a short one? (On the rare occasions that my children are at home they say, 'Don't give us a long grace, Dad). Oh! This is new! My own post has been invaded by person/persons unknown and remarks have been left where once only tumbleweed was blowing past on life's breeze. Gerroff my post and do a quote like everyone else does or I'll come round and crush you and show no mercy. In answer though to your obvious inquiry into my thoughts on the longevity of the thanks for what we are about to receive, I'd have to say that thanks offered after consumption would probably be the order of the day, just in case the rations were a little on the meagre side and full bloaterdom was not achieved and then a hearty admonishment could be given rather than gratitudes. As I'm always reminded by Matron, 'if I'm asking for an enema could I speak a little plainer'. Dashed if I can see a problem with my expressiveness, but if you push me, then I'd have to say 'yes'.
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Post by Fi on Jul 6, 2009 1:21:53 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but I'm genuinely intrigued Michael - how do you construct a 'long grace'? By thanking God for 'this food' ... 'friends far and near ... and then going on to pray for neighbours ... all those in need etc. etc. world without end, Amen. Thanks - is there any sort of biblical example of that? I'm ready to be told I'm wrong, but I thought in the bible, it was limited to giving thanks for the food. Is widening the thanks and including prayers for the needy of Baptist origin? The reason I ask is that I've not come across the practise, but then I think you're the first Baptist I've ever encountered.
As an aside, years ago, when I was living in London, I knew a then curate who regularly made more food than necessary for his dinner and gave the extra to needy neighbours. As he said, he had more than enough money for his own needs (on a curate's stipend!), so it made sense to share.
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Post by revmichael on Jul 6, 2009 6:55:32 GMT
By thanking God for 'this food' ... 'friends far and near ... and then going on to pray for neighbours ... all those in need etc. etc. world without end, Amen. Thanks - is there any sort of biblical example of that? I'm ready to be told I'm wrong, but I thought in the bible, it was limited to giving thanks for the food. Is widening the thanks and including prayers for the needy of Baptist origin? The reason I ask is that I've not come across the practise, but then I think you're the first Baptist I've ever encountered.
As an aside, years ago, when I was living in London, I knew a then curate who regularly made more food than necessary for his dinner and gave the extra to needy neighbours. As he said, he had more than enough money for his own needs (on a curate's stipend!), so it made sense to share. The only mention of 'grace' that I can think of in the Bible at the moment is when Paul says, 'Give thanks for all things.' Certainly those 'standard' ones that start, 'For what we are about to receive ...' are not in the Bible. Your curate has the right idea. As I have found that I have still kept the half stone that I gained a fortnight ago, I think it would be a good idea if I gave away to the poor half of any meal that I have cooked. It's true that I am a (retired) Baptist Minister but am now an Anglican Layperson - but whether I'm a typical Baptist in another thing. I'm certainly not a typical Anglican.
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Post by troykerr on Jul 6, 2009 16:06:40 GMT
I've just spent some valuable time reading the thoughts regarding the mutterings of an old man before the starting of a much needed feed. I'm now late for my dinner and my stomach is once again feeling like my throat has been cut. I have to say that faced with the chap waffling on when the rashers are getting cold would have been met with my plate being far emptier at the end of his little speech than at the start. Rations being rations, the very notion that one can wait around indefinitely in the hopes that the old chap either ends his ramblings or shuffles off his mortal coil (not wishing to be unkind to the chap but food is food and the breaking of one's fast comes close to the glass of water being offered to the desert traveller in need of a slaking), one doesn't know when the next meal might loom up on the horizon so time has to be of the essence. By all means, the chap is most welcome to utter his thanks for that which is getting cold before him (here I might go as far as to be most grateful to the staff who are undoubtedly sweating it out below stairs for the benefit of those with more disposable income than they who prepare the fodder), but with a gimlet eye on the sands of time than never cease to flow, one would polish off as much of the brekkie as one possibly could in the hopes that the chap opposite was not too partial to his bacon and could therefore be convinced to slide the aforementioned onto my waiting plate in a waste not, want not method of remembering that there are many people in this world who are going hungry while some old chap witters on whilst letting good food go cold! Do you mean, Stan, that if anyone must 'give thanks' for their meal then please make it a short one? (On the rare occasions that my children are at home they say, 'Don't give us a long grace, Dad). Oh! This is new! My own post has been invaded by person/persons unknown and remarks have been left where once only tumbleweed was blowing past on life's breeze. Gerroff my post and do a quote like everyone else does or I'll come round and crush you and show no mercy. In answer though to your obvious inquiry into my thoughts on the longevity of the thanks for what we are about to receive, I'd have to say that thanks offered after consumption would probably be the order of the day, just in case the rations were a little on the meagre side and full bloaterdom was not achieved and then a hearty admonishment could be given rather than gratitudes. As I'm always reminded by Matron, 'if I'm asking for an enema could I speak a little plainer'. Dashed if I can see a problem with my expressiveness, but if you push me, then I'd have to say 'yes'. Stanislav please forgive the Rev - he may be able to construct a long grace but has not yet mastered the art of 'Quoting'
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Post by revmichael on Jul 8, 2009 7:40:32 GMT
Oh! This is new! My own post has been invaded by person/persons unknown and remarks have been left where once only tumbleweed was blowing past on life's breeze. Gerroff my post and do a quote like everyone else does or I'll come round and crush you and show no mercy. In answer though to your obvious inquiry into my thoughts on the longevity of the thanks for what we are about to receive, I'd have to say that thanks offered after consumption would probably be the order of the day, just in case the rations were a little on the meagre side and full bloaterdom was not achieved and then a hearty admonishment could be given rather than gratitudes. As I'm always reminded by Matron, 'if I'm asking for an enema could I speak a little plainer'. Dashed if I can see a problem with my expressiveness, but if you push me, then I'd have to say 'yes'. Stanislav please forgive the Rev - he may be able to construct a long grace but has not yet mastered the art of 'Quoting' Carl, is this place called Quo Ting in China?
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